There is, however, a seedier side to the imposition and collection of fines. Two cases spring to mind. I was once sitting in a London Magistrates' Court waiting for my case to get called on and, whilst waiting, was watching a number of cases that involved unrepresented defendants. The first was a lady who pleaded guilty to possession of cannabis. She was fined £125, ordered to pay £85 in costs and the £15 victim surcharge was imposed. She was in receipt of Jobseeker's Allowance. "The full amount is due now" the legal advisor said. "I can't pay that much now" the lady replied. "Can it be deducted from my benefits?" "How much money do you have on you?" asked the Chair. I can't remember how much it was, but it amounted, so the lady said, to her bus fair. "Well you can pay that in to Court and you'll have to walk home or get a lift". The lady protested that she didn't know anybody and that it was far too far to walk home. She was then told that if she refused to pay her fare into Court she would be taken down into the cells. She burst into tears. Still the Chair and the Legal Advisor persisted that this £2.80 or whatever it was should be handed over. The tears got worse and enough was enough. "Please excuse me, but as an officer of the Court please could I address you?" I said. The Chair permitted it. I proceeded, politely but forcefully, to explain that what was going on here was pretty disgraceful. The lady was in tears, the Court was trying to seize £2.80 and was having no regard for how this lady was going to get home. Perhaps, I thought to myself, they would like her to commit fare evasion or theft? The Bench relented and agreed to take the money from the lady's benefits. The Legal Advisor looked most dissatisfied but there we are.
The second occasion involved an actual client. I was in a Magistrates' Court in Essex. My client had been convicted of assaulting a police officer. She was fined £75 but ordered to pay full prosecution costs (which were about £600) and, of course, the £15 victim surcharge. The Bench had taken umbrage with her because the nature of the assault was a spit (something many Magistrates seem to despise with a passion) and they felt that the evidence was overwhelming (i.e. the officer's word against hers) and so penalised her accordingly. This was despite the fact that she was a single mother living on benefits (namely Child Benefit, Housing Benefit and Tax Credits). She certainly was in no position to pay just short of £700 there and then but that didn't stop the Bench trying to get it. Their opening gambit was to (somewhat unrealistically) threaten her with prison. I managed to bat that one away without too much of a struggle. However, they then wanted to see her purse (she having said she had no money in it). To the client's credit, she duly provided it. There was nothing in it. Not content with that, the Bench made the point that they could have her searched by the dock officer. I confess that my patience was slowly deteriorating. I interjected again. After a bit of toing and froing they relented. However, they were not going to give up that easily. "Go to the bank" said the Chair "and get a receipt to show how much is in your account." There was then a rather unfortunate exchange between the client and the Chair but she duly went to the bank and produced a receipt. She had about £85 in the bank. "Well, we'll take that today" said the Chair. "You may have forgotten" I said politely "that Mrs X has two small children that she has to provide for". They seemingly had not forgotten but as seems to happen all too often the Chair came out with the line "well she will have to find somebody else who can either pay the fine or pay for the children- a friend or family member perhaps." I felt like screaming "HOW IS IT A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER'S PROBLEM?". I didn't of course but it really gets to me when Magistrates expect the money to come from someone else. Why on earth should some poor person who has nothing to do with the case have to fork out the money? Anyway, this whole sorry episode went on for about half a day (won't somebody please think of the
Sadly these little incidents are not uncommon and it is usually people who are unrepresented who bear the brunt of them. So in short I have two general issues as regards the imposition of fines- (i) do the associated administrative costs in administering and collecting them outweigh the amounts involved? and (ii) please can we have a little bit more humanity when it comes to time to pay and not behave like some sort of extortion racket?
Answers on a postcard please.
Two dreadful stories. The two benches involved should be ashamed of themselves, and they urgently need training (in how to become a human being). Insensitive and dictatorial.
ReplyDeleteYou are right : it is not a friend or family member's problem.
And in story 1, it is not the business of the Legal Advisor who should have kept out of it.
I find this story qute incredible. There is no way, ever ever, that a Bench will behave in this loathsome manner. I do not recognise either scenario nor do I think that as a lawyer unconnected to a defendant you would or should be permitted to interfere in that way. I don't know whether you've actually spent much time in the Mags Courts but to say 'these little incidents are not uncommon' rather suggests that you haven't.
ReplyDeleteFor the record, unrepresented defendants are treated with deference, respect and kid gloves. Without exception.
Your storytelling smacks of a dismissive attitude toward JPs and defendants alike, presumably because you're so much better than any of us and destined for so much higher things?
I have plenty of experience in courts and I have seen some remarkably rude benches! Including one outrageous chairwoman who managed to be so rude and make such stupid and wrong comments that I complained and the magistrate concerned was directed to write me a letter of appology and undertake further training!
DeleteI have seen defendants searched by courts, though mostly by DJs.
I cannot see why the court should refuse to hear an officer of the supreme court who is attempting to assist them. I have certainly intervened, although only to provide an answer to a difficult question rather than because a bench has gone bananas.
With respect, it seems like I may have hit a nerve.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I do not doubt for one moment that a Bench shouldn't behave in the manner described above. In fact I don't doubt that most Magistrates wouldn't behave in this way.
Second, to say that unrepresented defendants are treated with "deference, respect and kid gloves without exception" is, I am afraid, no more than a wholly inaccurate generalisation (as illustrated by the examples above).
Whilst I fully accept that many lawyers may not "interfere" in the way I chose to do, I would remind you that (i) lawyers are officers of the court and (ii) the Chair in my example above permitted me to intervene in the way that I did. Whilst some people may be content to sit by and watch what I considered to be a disgusting abuse of power by a lay Bench, I was not.
Furthermore, and as you would know if you had read any of my other posts, generally speaking I have much admiration and respect for Magistrates. However, the comment you have posted fails to appreciate that not every court in the land follows the idyllic model you have set out. If you choose not to believe in the truth of my "stories" so be it. However, before you continue to assert that Magistrates behave in a particular way "without exception", I suggest that you peruse the Office for Judicial Complaints website. Have a read of some of the press statements and you may just change your mind.
I would end by simply saying that in the same way that I do not tarnish all Magistrates with the same brush, I respectfully suggest that you stop looking at all of your colleagues through rose tinted glasses.
I hope one of your clients spits on you in the near future, LE.
ReplyDeleteWhen you blog about it, you can enlighten us with your newfound understanding of why Magistrates may "despise it with a passion".
Don't bother to report it to anyone, though. After all, it would only be "your word against theirs". A hopeless case, indeed.
With respect, if I had to choose between somebody spitting on my hi-visability jacket (as per the case above) or being the victim of another type of common assault- say a punch, kick or bite, I know which one I would choose. No-one doubts that spitting is disgusting but you do have to have a bit of perspective when assessing the overall seriousness of the common assault when it comes to sentencing. Fortunately, the most recent sentencing guidelines on common assault assist in this regard.
ReplyDeleteIn any event, thank you for your kind and constructive comment. Most helpful.
I don't think East Midlands JP is correct, but both positions are generalisations. In truth the magistracy is a wide church. Some chairs do take what might be appropriate in a Fines Court (when non-payers are dealt with as a last resort) into the wider court. Part of the problem is that we are constantly enjoined to collect the fine on the spot, our recommended pronouncement going through increasingly imperious versions.
ReplyDeleteStill, I would say that most benches accept that a defendant on benefits is rarely in a position to pay anything on the day, and leave it to the court administration & DWP to work out rates of payment etc through what is known as a Collection Order. The Crown Prosecution Service now demand very high (for those on benefits) standard costs - £600 or so for a half day hearing and again, most benches will be likely to reduce that amount.
If it doesn't sound pompous, a good thing you intervened.
(BTW, despite the above, in deference to the Senior Presiding Judge, you should not assume I am a magistrate, or indeed a member of the human race.)
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